[Gua195]

Hi everyone have had the car for 4 weeks now, loving the car but I have a little problem with clutch control with first gear the engine wants to stall, it happens occasionally has anybody had the same problem.

 

[wasabi]

Haven't hear about this issue so far, it might be isolated. I suggest you book an appointment with your dealer to have it inspected right away, after all its a new vehicle under warranty.

 

[Aleksander]

When you saw wants to stall are you talking about hesitation or some kind of vibrations? Its got a CVT so there isn't really a first gear.

 

[Dariel]

I think this might just be your unfamiliarity with this kind of transmission. It's not going to have the pronounced gear changes that you have become accustom to in regular automatics.

 

[Telferstr]

Hi everyone have had the car for 4 weeks now, loving the car but I have a little problem with clutch control with first gear the engine wants to stall, it happens occasionally has anybody had the same problem.

Yes I have the same problem, though getting used to the clutch action now. Sometimes the car moves off okay without giving any thought to engine revs. But on occasions it will stall the engine.
On hill starts especially, I give the engine extra revs just to be sure no stalling takes place. Its a strange problem as many times moving off causes no problem at all, but every now and then it catches you out. The 6 speed manual gearbox is a delight having a good gear selection feel through the gear lever.
Apart from the slight stall problem I am thoroughly enjoying my Eclipse Cross 3.

 

[tleduc]

Mine has a CVT with 1.5 turbo. I bougth my car brand new and now it has 8000 km. Last summer, I had no "stall" issue. Now the weather is colder, near 0 celcius. When the engine is cold and when I put it in drive withing 30 sec after starting, the engine is very near to stall when I push the gaz pedal. I gues I will be able to stall it easily this winter at -30 celcius.

When the engine is hot, this never happen.

This car is new... imagine after 200 000km.

I guess a recall will be done to adress this point, computer programming.

 

[Rıfat]

I have manual transmission and I have the same problem too. The car wants to take off with a very low gas and when you see it starts to stall you press the pedal "just a little bit more" and then the engine rpm goes over 2000.

However, I went to a Mitsubishi users meeting and the guys over there said that this was a problem from the Lancer era. Also an experinced Mitsubishi mechanic drove my car and he said there isn't any problem. There was no stall when he drove and he said it is about getting used to the car. Man, I drive for 15 years, including 9 months with this car, and i am sure this is not about getting used to something. I think this is the way Mitsubishi clutches work.

 

[Telferstr]

Hi,
I have got more used to the car now, but still have an occasional problem with the throttle pedal and can stall the engine now and then.
There appears to be little feel with the throttle pedal and when pressing it to give just a few more engine revs, it just shoots up the revs to over 2000, as Rifat says. This happens very easily and is somewhat annoying.
Will need to ask the dealer if there is any adjustment they can make to allow a more progressive throttle response at lower engine revs, but doubt this possible.
Looks as if we will just have to live with this quirk.
Otherwise I am thoroughly enjoying my Eclipse Cross, especially the way the engine performs and overall comfort the car offers.

 

[Rıfat]

I found my own solution btw. First I slap the gas pedal to make the engine rev a little bit, like about 1500 rpm, not much, then i use the clutch and gas pedals to move the car. I am not happy using this with a brand new car but it is better than to be honked

 

[Lunatic59]

I think this is the way Mitsubishi clutches work.

This is a bit of speculation on my part since the manual trannies aren't available in the US. I think what we've got here is getting used to a couple of things and finding the "sweet spot" for the clutch and accelerator. Let me first ask this ... is the distance from the engagement point of the clutch to full engagement fairly short in the EC? It was in the Lancer, but without the turbo.

So, at low rpm's you let off the clutch and it starts to engage, and you give it a little gas. Too little and it stalls. But, give it a little more and the revs go up above 1k and there's enough exhaust pressure to engage the turbo and all of a sudden you've the advantage of all that low end torque ... vrooom, as they say.

 

[inuvik]

My manual transmission Outlander Sport also has a very touchy throttle response. I've been driving a manual transmission for over 40 years and it took some adjustment to get use to this one. The 2.0 in the OS is non-turbo and what is known in engine definitions as a "square" engine (the bore and the stroke are the same). What does this mean? Zero torque at low rpm's and not much of anything until you hit 3500 rpm. After that the motor pulls hard all the way to red line. It took awhile to get the timing down so I don't over rev it by giving it too much throttle or not enough and killing it because once you drop below 700 rpm you'll kill it. I try to keep the rpm's about 1000 on take off.

 

[Rıfat]

This is a bit of speculation on my part since the manual trannies aren't available in the US. I think what we've got here is getting used to a couple of things and finding the "sweet spot" for the clutch and accelerator. Let me first ask this ... is the distance from the engagement point of the clutch to full engagement fairly short in the EC? It was in the Lancer, but without the turbo.

So, at low rpm's you let off the clutch and it starts to engage, and you give it a little gas. Too little and it stalls. But, give it a little more and the revs go up above 1k and there's enough exhaust pressure to engage the turbo and all of a sudden you've the advantage of all that low end torque ... vrooom, as they say.

The answer for your question is yes. The distance is short. But I think the main problem is when the engagement starts there is a sudden rpm drop. I have been driving an Opel Insignia 1.6L turbo (Buick Regal in NA) for 6 years it didn't happen once. I experienced such a thing first in this car. They have similar power and mass btw.

I will try to explain. You give a little gas, rev the engine to 1200 or whatever rpm you like, let the clutch engage slowly, and move. It must be this simple. However in EC, when you try to engage at 1200 rpm, engine drops to 500-600 rpms and starts to stall. When you try 1500, it drops to 800 and if you are not careful it stalls again. You need to be around 2000 rpm for easy engagement because the engine needs to be around 1000. And if you are on a slope things get worse. My complaint starts here. Why do I need to overthink about this? Using a clutch is a reflex movement and I still haven't got that reflex in Eclipse.

 

[Lunatic59]

I've only had mine for a little over a week, but I have noticed that it seems to be happier in the lower "gears" when it's revving on the high side. Considerably more than my old Outlander with a 2.4L / 6 speed CVT. Perhaps that's the way Mitsubishi intended it to run?

 

[Pevans]

Dear All

I have a similar problem on a Eclipse Cross 3 [UK spec], with a manual gearbox. There should be some adjustment that can be made to allow a more progressive throttle response at lower engine revs so as not to encourage stalling. I've been driving for 45 years so I'm not a novice. As it is at present, the car verges on the dangerous at roundabouts and junctions as its behaviour is unpredictable. It feels as though the tick-over speed is too low and the engine dies when the clutch is engaged.

Once stalled starting again can be problematic in the middle of a manoeuvre and it spoils what is otherwise a good driving car. The issue has been noted by a number of motoring journalists and 'Which Magazine' so it is something Mitsubishi need to address without delay.

 

[Telferstr]

Dear All

I have a similar problem on a Eclipse Cross 3 [UK spec], with a manual gearbox. There should be some adjustment that can be made to allow a more progressive throttle response at lower engine revs so as not to encourage stalling. I've been driving for 45 years so I'm not a novice. As it is at present, the car verges on the dangerous at roundabouts and junctions as its behaviour is unpredictable. It feels as though the tick-over speed is too low and the engine dies when the clutch is engaged.

Once stalled starting again can be problematic in the middle of a manoeuvre and it spoils what is otherwise a good driving car. The issue has been noted by a number of motoring journalists and 'Which Magazine' so it is something Mitsubishi need to address without delay.

Hi Prevans, and welcome to the Eclipse Cross Forum.
I have this same problem, but have got use to it since purchasing the car last May. I'm very please with the car overall but can still get caught out now and then by this annoying characteristic of the car. The throttle response needs to be a bit more progressive than it is, as you find that when trying to catch a stall, you end up with the engine revving excessively when moving off in first gear. Since purchasing the car I have not needed to visit the dealer, but when the first service is required I will be asking them to look at this problem. As said, part from this problem the car is going very well and I'm very pleased with it.
As a matter of interest, how did you find the registering process joining the Forum. I see you are in the UK like myself and it took me months before I managed to actually register and nearly gave up the attempt.

 

[Pevans]

Telferstr

Sorry I haven't replied I've been tied up with other things. The car has been behaving better since I used some petrol Redex in the tank which should have cleaned the fuel lines. I think the dealer had run the tank right down as it was nearly empty when I picked it up. This is never a good idea as even new tanks will have some measure of residue in the bottom. However it still catches me out from time to time as the behaviour appears to be unpredictable.

Generally however, I'm happy with the car although the fuel consumption could be better. I get 35-42 mpg on average which fits in with what some reviewers have found. I think it will improve with age too as there is only some 1300 miles on the clock and only 600 of which I have done.

Since having the car I've installed a dash cam which was easy to do using the fuse box behind the glove box. Insurance companies are recommending their installation and may be offering a discount for doing so.

 

[zarbs]

Since having the car I've installed a dash cam which was easy to do using the fuse box behind the glove box.

Hi Pevans, if your EC has forward collision mitigation (FCM) be aware that Mitsubishi recommend against mounting a dash cam in the vicinity of the interior rear view mirror as the safety equipment lasers and sensors are mounted in this location on the windscreen. The GPS radiation of a dash cam can seriously affect the proper operation of this safety equipment. There are comments on this forum as well where owners have reported the safety equipment failing or misreporting with a dash cam in operation in this location. Page 5-106 (below) of my manual alludes to this and there is a technical note issued by Mitsubishi here in Australia on the subject.

 

[Lunatic59]

Zarbs,

I'm going to take exception with that blanket generalization. A dashcam mounted in the proximity of the rear view mirror should not have any effect on the FCM, assuming it doesn't physically interfere with the windshield. It is my understanding that FCM works with a combination of visual, radio (radar) and infrared indicators. The radio portion of those sensors is located in the front bumper and therefore would be unaffected by a dashcam. Further, a standard dashcam isn't going to emit any radio interference, unless it's wifi enabled and operative while FCM is in use. Most dashcam wifi is for file transfer only, but you might have a two camera setup with the rear camera is connected wirelessly -- that type of setup should be avoided IMHO.

GPS wouldn't have any effect as that's a receiver only and doesn't emit any RFI.

A cell phone sitting in the console tray will have a greater impact on the systems than a dashcam ever could (unless there's some weird cellular dashcam out there)

 

[Telferstr]

Zarbs,

I'm going to take exception with that blanket generalization. A dashcam mounted in the proximity of the rear view mirror should not have any effect on the FCM, assuming it doesn't physically interfere with the windshield. It is my understanding that FCM works with a combination of visual, radio (radar) and infrared indicators. The radio portion of those sensors is located in the front bumper and therefore would be unaffected by a dashcam. Further, a standard dashcam isn't going to emit any radio interference, unless it's wifi enabled and operative while FCM is in use. Most dashcam wifi is for file transfer only, but you might have a two camera setup with the rear camera is connected wirelessly -- that type of setup should be avoided IMHO.

GPS wouldn't have any effect as that's a receiver only and doesn't emit any RFI.

A cell phone sitting in the console tray will have a greater impact on the systems than a dashcam ever could (unless there's some weird cellular dashcam out there)

Some models Luna 59 do not have the front bumper sensors fitted, and rely on the sensors fitted to the rear view mirror assembly looking through the windscreen. Therefore mounting a Dash Cam in the usual area could indeed impede the performance of the sensor equipment housed in that area. Caution should be paramount if fitting devices to the Windscreen, ensuring that they will not interfere with the operation of the built in safety equipment.

 

[Lunatic59]

Some models Luna 59 do not have the front bumper sensors fitted, and rely on the sensors fitted to the rear view mirror assembly looking through the windscreen. Therefore mounting a Dash Cam in the usual area could indeed impede the performance of the sensor equipment housed in that area. Caution should be paramount if fitting devices to the Windscreen, ensuring that they will not interfere with the operation of the built in safety equipment.

While I do agree with that statement, and I didn't realize the setup of the sensors varied that much, a general claim of dashcams interfereing with FCM is not universally true.

ANY modifications an owner does to a newer vehicle needs to be done with caution as they are so complex these days, it would be easy to miss something that could create a dangerous situation. That said, 99% of the dangers in modern vehicles can be attributed to what's between the steering wheel and the seat back.